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Kind of Shocking, Isn’t It

Sometimes a fixation about today, or about history, makes people forget about the future.  There are two serious possibilities about the future of La Vista Road and Tucker.

In version B, there might be another small sign on the side of the road, with an arrow pointing toward Tucker and the words “Tucker - 2 miles”.

There’s a chance to make Briarcliff and Tucker front and center on I-285, with both of our names on a series of exits, from Chamblee-Tucker to the Stone Mountain Expressway.

 

And then there’s the alternative.

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Cheryl Miller January 09, 2014 at 04:15 PM
I have never called any person a name. I wrote one blog about a "Lakeside City Alliance - Whoever You Are" and made it clear in that blog that it wasn't referencing anyone who lived near the school or attended the school. It was an attempt to show the community how it was being misrepresented by a small group of people who were, at the time, unknown to me and to most everyone as they even had "secret board members" with ties to the current county government and school system (their explanation, not mine). You can't claim that I was "called out" for anything. That's not true. Calling out would mean that I was trying to hide something, which I have not. Rather, I have attempted to expose the truth so that informed citizens can make up their own minds about the issues and how they should vote. I don't hide behind a screen name and I have never asked anyone for money. So, once again, try to focus on those who are actively seeking power and money, not those of us who are just trying to live here like anyone else. I have been attacked repeatedly, as clearly I have information that your little circle doesn't want others to know or believe. The only thing that could possibly be related to is cell towers, since I don't typically go around engaging in these conversations for fun. And, I don't like having to remind you that I am a private citizen, not a public persona so my background, my comments and your feelings about me are not really relevant to any conversations about cities, yet you repeatedly bash me relentlessly. I have done nothing but fight the corruption and try to get the county residents to work together on issues that are harming all of us collectively rather than work against each other .... How does that make me the bad guy here?
Cheryl Miller January 09, 2014 at 04:17 PM
Slimy??? Really??? If I did wish to call names, I would use much more choice ones that that, anyway. Seriously... the creative juices from the Rosetta Stone Anti-Cheryl campaign are really drained if that's the best they can come up with.
Frannie D. January 09, 2014 at 05:25 PM
Cheryl, you have been called out by your own community for your *specific* inappropriate actions online, including speculative/untrue accusations you have made against folks. Rarely have I seen anyone attack you as a person. It's about the rumors you present as fact. It's important we correct these as they come up. We all need to be held accountable for staying factual, because there's a lot of heat in this debate, and rumor left unchecked slowly turns into perception. You know this well because it's a tack we've seen you take from the start. You have mastered the art of spin, obfuscation and denial. If you would stick to facts no one will need to correct you. (Case in point. Witness how you invented several things about me in your very post above. I've never had a beef with Tucker 14, you just made that up, then reacted to your own straw man.) Done with this for now.
Cheryl Miller January 09, 2014 at 05:57 PM
No, Frannie. I haven't. I have been supported and thanked by many in my community and we are working together now with a group of more than 250 of us to make sure the state and local delegates are aware of how the residents of Tucker feel about this entire process. I have asked you more than once to discontinue addressing me as your comments are irresponsible and inaccurate. Pick on someone else or confront me face to face so that you can get all your questions answered and satisfied. I am not the problem here. You don't know me and you are very misinformed if you believe that I have done anything to harm anyone. I'm not asking for money and have no political power. I am a Mom who cares about her family and her neighbors. I am a parent who was caught up in the horrible corruption that still impacts the children in our county even though it is not their fault. I want to see that era come to an end and I cannot believe that there are adults who are still willing to play games even after witnessing what has happened to the school board and what could have been a serious demise of our county in terms of losing value and losing potential future residents and business. Rep. Tom Taylor recognizes the serious nature of the school system and its impact to our overall economic health. Unfortunately, he is crafting a way our for Dunwoody that will not help the rest of us. I don't think his solution is the right one, but I do appreciate the fact that he is at least addressing the issue head on and working to solve problems for his constituents. Other than being an armchair quarterback in this whole thing, what contributions do you think you are making by your constant complaints about me or my opinions? Our schools are the biggest detriment to our combined success. How will your new city help the children who live inside or outside? If you do not know, then you are not asking the right questions. And if you seriously don't have anything better to do than to focus on nitpicking my every statement then you really should get out more.
Cheryl Miller January 09, 2014 at 05:58 PM
Frannie, you have stated your dislike of the Tucker 2014 map. That is a beef with Tucker 2014. I'm quite sure I did not make that up, unless you would like to now tell me that you are in fact fully supportive of it.
Cheryl Miller January 09, 2014 at 06:01 PM
Rumors, as you call them, only happen when those in charge do not answer questions or do not present the facts necessary to make clear choices. If I have asked questions, that is my right. Your assumptions about the intent of my questions are merely your own assumptions. I have no control over your own imagination. Again, I do not know you. Your behavior is borderline stalker-ish and I have asked you to stop.
RandyRand January 09, 2014 at 06:33 PM
Cheryl, your babbling writing form make creates problems for readers. I have mentioned this before and provided tips on how you might correct this rather serious communication issue. Try to make a single point and support your point with facts or concise supporting thoughts. Nobody is stalking you, We, the readers here, are simply tiring of your everything and the kitchen sink approach which you almost always smother with unsupported nonsense.
Frannie D. January 09, 2014 at 06:53 PM
Cheryl. If you can't take a factual rebuttal or being quoted (and you apparently can't, without stooping to name calling and lies), you should step off a public forum--one you frequent far more than I do. If anyone can be considered a 'stalker', it is you with your constant thread trolling and hijacking. I could re-post any number of your earlier posts if I really wanted to, and if you choose to continue this exchange, I will. But I'm not feeling the need, as your reputation is established already, built by you alone. Plus I'm not the only one who gets emailed archives of the forum. This isn't playtime--you can't just pretend and make things go away Cheryl. And good gravy, you did it again! I have never said once I had an issue with Tucker's map. Everyone who reads this forum knows I am in favor of a unified compromise. It is you who constantly complain about their map. Seriously: stop putting words in my mouth. Now. My sincere apologies to everyone else for this idiotic tangent. I'm done. Oy vay.
Cheryl Miller January 09, 2014 at 08:48 PM
make creates problems?
Cheryl Miller January 09, 2014 at 08:52 PM
Feel free to post whatever you would like, Frannie. If there have been any untrue rumors, they would be the ones you are attempting to stir up here. And, just so you know, I have read all about the delphi technique by the Rand Corporation so you aren't really making any headway. I'm way ahead of you, sister.
Cheryl Miller January 09, 2014 at 08:56 PM
Perhaps you have me confused with Betsy Parks? That is the only way that any of your comments would make sense. You might want to look back at what you think you have read, because I have never, and would never, refer to an entire group of people in such a manner. You've obviously got your wires crossed somewhere.
newsydon January 10, 2014 at 05:22 PM
jim: i'm curious about your reference to a quote from randy that had some indication of intelligent life within. where can i find that?
newsydon January 10, 2014 at 05:33 PM
cheryl. 30084 includes part of gwinnett county--maybe more then in dekalb; in fact goes all the way to lilburn; doesn't include northlake mall; barely includes henderson park; has no relationship at all to the tucker 2014 map inside the perimeter, or outside as far as that goes. so what was your point again?
Jim Tackett January 11, 2014 at 09:39 AM
Newsy, here's the quote you asked about. Don't recall what thread randyran posted in before, but I found the post he referred to. Statement from TCA this march, an interesting flip in their stance. seems even they didn't consider North lake as Tucker a few months ago. I'd still support a compromise myself, (and COBI says they would) but in light of this revealing quote, you'd think Tucker would too. QUOTE from TCA PR statement posted on Patch:---- "Bruce Penn, president of the Tucker Civic Association, and Beth White Ganga, vice president, have released a statement about a proposal from the Lakeside City Alliance to create a city that includes western Tucker and the consequences it could have on the Tucker community: Several years ago, the Tucker Civic Association initiated a community-based exploratory group to determine the feasibility of incorporating Tucker into a city. This exploratory group included experts from Georgia Tech. The general findings of the study were that Tucker did not have a sufficient commercial tax base to make cityhood financially feasible without increasing the proposed city limits to include the Northlake area and parts of Brookhaven. The Tucker Community was not willing to "land grab" into other areas, choosing to respect other individual communities."
newsydon January 11, 2014 at 10:44 AM
jim where is that quote located? "posted on patch"? where?
newsydon January 11, 2014 at 10:45 AM
http://northdruidhills.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/tucker-civic-association-we-don-t-need-cityhood never mind. i found it.
Brian January 11, 2014 at 10:52 AM
But were they uncomfortable about Northlake or Brookhaven? Probably Brookhaven.
newsydon January 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM
talk about a smoking gun!
RandyRand January 11, 2014 at 02:00 PM
Who’s idea was it to attempt to negotiate cityhood with the groups of Tucker? I can’t imagine, no wait I can imagine dealing with these folks and here is the process of bureaucracy you would likely encounter…..The Overarching board for the United Committees of the overly organized Community of Tucker as well as intermediaries representing the Tucker Business Association, Tucker Mainstreet Train Watchers, Tucker Historical Society Poo-bah and the Tucker Holiday/Xmas Light Committee aka ( the Tucker Mafia) have proposed further recognition and a vote to elevate the following groups to preliminary committee status: The Holy Smokes-Rise Rappers, The Henderson Park Illegal Herb Gardeners, and of course The Where the Heck is that Ace Hardware Store Search and Rescue Team! The vote on the fore mention proposal will take place no sooner than 365 days from ….
Cheryl Miller January 11, 2014 at 03:09 PM
I am very certain that the quote in question was a reference to the Northlake Mall, not the entire Northlake area. The quote was referring to the feasibility study which included the entire 30084 zip code which I believe mirrored the 2000 CDP at the time. I have stated that the mall is the area in question. I don't see any reason why anyone would expect Tucker to give up any portion of its community that is already currently called Tucker (per the street address assigned which is how businesses market themselves and tell customers how to find them. I also believe that the area surrounding the mall is far more valuable in the long term because I have read about the decline of the mall concept, so any attempt to negotiate between groups should be regarding the mall itself and possibly the nearby residential and commercial land behind the mall on Northlake Pkwy. I would make the argument that if any community should be entitled to this area, it would be Tucker since they have been the only defined community in the area large enough to attract the businesses that already exist here today. And, the other groups have admitted that they do not frequent the area and prefer to shop elsewhere. And, Briarcliff already has one mall property in its portfolio, so why fight to have TWO? But, I agree that there are competing interests and no real claim can be made. Since Brookhaven and others think that Century Center should be able to decide its own fate, why don't we just ask the mall owners or the Northlake Business Alliance? I'm guessing we aren't asking because they would all want to remain unincorporated because they know the fees and other requirements (tax increases, etc.) would likely make their job of attracting new businesses harder, not easier. But, that's just my take on it. Let's ask them!!
Cheryl Miller January 11, 2014 at 03:12 PM
Also, you have residential areas to consider along with the commercial property. Hopefully no one will want to go to court like the Century Center / Chamblee / Brookhaven ordeal and waste the start up funds on attorneys right out of the gate. The feasibility studies would need to be adjusted, maps redrawn and then residents queried about how they would likely vote. It's a mess.
Longerthanu January 11, 2014 at 07:58 PM
For those who have not read it, the Georgia Tech Tucker feasibility study from 2006 http://www.tuckercivic.org/docs/IncorpPrelimFeasRept.pdf clearly states that "Tucker is situated outside of Atlanta’s Interstate 285 beltline highway.... The Tucker community is a Census Designated Place (CDP) of the U.S. Bureau of the Census that has a recognized geographic area and a sizeable industrial base. There are approximately 26,000 residents...." (as opposed to double that number in the Tucker 2014 map) and it recommends "that advocates for Tucker’s incorporation consider drawing the city boundaries to capture commercial, hotel, and alcohol serving restaurants. The Northlake Mall business district and portions of Lawrenceville Highway house these businesses and their inclusion into the boundaries of Tucker will lessen the need for residential taxes." Also the 2010 Tucker CDP and the 2000 Tucker CDP are identical: http://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/dc10map/GUBlock/st13_ga/place/p1377652_tucker/DC10BLK_P1377652_001.pdf http://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/blk2000/st13_Georgia/Place/1377652_Tucker/CBP1377652_001.pdf Both are identical to the area TCA represents and none extends inside the Perimeter. The TCA map can be found here; http://tuckercivic.org/about/officers/
mikeatl January 12, 2014 at 08:34 AM
Not just a smoking gun, a smoking AR-15.
mikeatl January 12, 2014 at 08:36 AM
Cheryl: The cdp of tucker has been an area from 285 to Gwinnnett county, and more or less Chamblee Tucker to the stone Mountain expressway. Just get on Google Maps and search for Tucker GA.
doddave January 12, 2014 at 09:05 AM
Not just an AR-15; an artillery salvo.
Cheryl Miller January 12, 2014 at 06:15 PM
I am not sure why you are telling me where Tucker is. I live here. I don't think the statement is a smoking gun. The comment was regarding the mall. The Northlake "business district" was in the 2006 study and it clearly says it was based on 30084 and 30085.
Doctor DeKalb January 13, 2014 at 12:20 PM
Here is a link to that study. I wonder why it wasn't made public until recently. http://www.tuckercivic.org/docs/IncorpPrelimFeasRept.pdf
Frannie D. January 13, 2014 at 05:00 PM
"Dr." Cheryl, that report has been online for years. I read it online back in 2007. And according to RWF, you are the only one in Tucker who continues to make the case for zip code consideration, because they are not historical, they are just a mail sorting/distribution aid, not a community definition. (otherwise most town areas wouldn't have several zips.) And if you continue to talk zips, understand that you are making the case to include the "poor" people up in Gwinnett -- something you rail against for the southern section of 30084 as well, because you see them, perhaps correctly, as a liability that would potentially raise your taxes.
Cheryl Miller January 16, 2014 at 06:25 AM
And rwf is some source of factual information for you, Frannie? Why is that? I would gladly include the Gwinnett portion of Tucker. I have stated that from the beginning. I have never "railed" against any portion of 30084, so please do not misrepresent my position on this issue. I have stated, as the 2006 Tucker study did as well, that 30084 is a clearly defined community of Tucker. To pretend a zip code has no bearing on the feeling of community is silly. I don't know why we even bother debating it. It's a non-issue in my book.
Doctor DeKalb February 01, 2014 at 06:45 PM
There are quite a few near the golf course in Gwinnett who would be offended by your remark, Frannie D.

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