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The Grinch Won't Live in Tucker

I won't be inviting the Scrooge and the Grinch into my home this year. I hope you don't either.

Directed by Ron Howard. With Jim Carrey.  (2000) All rights reserved.
Directed by Ron Howard. With Jim Carrey. (2000) All rights reserved.
One thing that is for certain - you cannot stop change from happening. Every day the world around us is changing and we have many opportunities to be positive forces to affect that change.  

There might be people who, like The Grinch Who Stole Christmas, will never be happy no matter what we do.  The city debates have been that sort of influence on many of our lives.  We want to enjoy our own families and communities, but these issues keep nagging at us, even now as the holidays approach.  That certainally says something about the forces behind them, doesn't it? 

But, this year, it's going to be different.  

We have a lot happening in Tucker to be very excited about and I, for one, am not going to allow the politicians and their games to ruin the holidays.  One reason that I am optimistic is that I can visually see the improvements taking place along Lawrenceville Highway that must be due to the new voluntary CID.  You can read about it here.  

Decision is always preferable to indecision

Another reason I know that the holidays will be happier this year is because I have already made up my mind on the city issue.  The only real power I have personally is to contact my legislators, which I have done already, and show up to vote, which I will do when and if that time comes.  The rest is really out of my hands and I know that.

Good people make good neighbors

I am also reassured that I am not alone.  There are a lot of people who have had many of the same doubts and questions as what we have discussed here and in our Facebook group.  I am reassured that we live in an outstanding area at an outstanding time.  For that, I am grateful.  

Come On!  Everyone is NOT doing it!

But, what I want to share with you is something I learned when I was in sales a few years back as I think it relates to what we are seeing here with these city advocates and their many, many meetings they continue to count off to us and boast about.  It's part of that "everybody's doing it" mentality that we try to warn our children about.  

Public meetings that serve no purpose other than to convince you of a plan already in place are a show of disrespect, in my opinion.  We all have busy lives.  We all have families who deserve our time, or jobs that might be difficult to get time away from.  We have to pay babysitters or expect kids to rush through their homework just so we can get out to a public meeting where we believe our input is being sought.  It isn't.  

It wasn't really wanted at the first meeting, nor will it be desired at the next one.  So, we really have no reason to show up again and again to hear the same summary of the same issues and leave with the same questions that were never fully answered to any degree of satisfaction.  In the case of any upcoming meetings, absence will speak louder than our presence, unfortunately.  If they know that they have not swayed the voters, and they are not given more chances to do so, then there is a good chance the vote will be postponed so they can work on the sales pitch and try again next year.

  • How many times do you let the vacuum salesman into your home to dump the pile of ashes on the floor and sweep them up before you tell him that you are not interested?  

  • How many times do you listen to the pitch on the phone for lower monthly payments on your car insurance before you politely say, "I'm not interested" and hang up?  

  • How many times do you hear the used car salesman tell you that he has to have an answer by the end of the day before you finally tell him "No?"  

What you should know about Salespeople 

In sales, there is a system by which the sales person will continue to call you even when you have told them no, because they want to establish a relationship with you, even if it is just over the phone.  Research has taught them that it is much harder to say no to someone you think you know than it is to a stranger.  

So, even after turning them down multiple times, the odds actually improve that you will eventually say yes.  If they continue to call you, even after you have said no, they will eventually sell you something, as long as you keep taking their calls.  When we are probably thinking, "When will this guy take a hint?" The salesman is still thinking, "He's going to buy from me today.  I just know it!"  Salespeople are very bad at taking hints.  They have to hear the word "no" come out of your mouth and even then they might not believe it.

If you truly have made up your mind and you know you do not want what they are selling (cities, in this case), then you can do yourself, and the salesperson, a big favor by simply refusing to take the call.  If you no longer listen to the sales pitch, they will eventually give up and move on to someone else.  


Sorry, I didn't give at the office, either

Giving money for anything is a sign of trust.  Even if you give just a small amount, it still means that you are a big sale they just haven't fully collected on.  You may have donated for a "study," but they still read that as you donated because you want a city.  And, that's all they need to convince the legislators to place their issue on a ballot.  If they show that we are all "interested" then they can make a case for why we should be allowed to "vote."  I don't know what the law might be on the issue of the Tucker 2014 group and the fact that they collected funds for a city of Tucker, but submitted a map that does not look anything like Tucker.  You may be able to ask for a refund.  I don't know that you will get it, but it can't hurt to ask, especially if you do not want them to place you in that pile of "certain yes" votes just yet. 

We cannot do much right now other than call or write our legislators (statewide).  There are some good contact lists on this page.  It is not complete statewide,  but more contacts are being added to it daily.  Since it has been stated that every member of the House and Senate in the state will be voting, it includes more than just the local delegation.  Perhaps these outside areas are the ones we actually need to convince if we do not want any of the cities to go through.

Know When to Vote

But, we can promise ourselves that we will keep in touch with the issues enough so that we can show up to vote when the time comes.  That could be as early as May or pushed to July, but you can never tell for sure what might happen, so it is important to remain informed.   

Unless something new happens, I do not intend to hold any meetings with our Save Tucker! group over the holidays, but we will stay in touch online.  You can join us by liking our page, www.facebook.com/SaveTuckerFromLakesideCity.  We are not a political group trying to force anyone to vote in a particular way.  We welcome all opinions on the subject of saving our community, but will ban anyone who is abusive or hostile in their comments.

What are we fighting for?

When a fight becomes the only part of this process that you can remember, and it destroys the very thing you were fighting to save, it might be time to slow down and reassess the situation.  Sure, it is nice to win.  But, it is never worth winning anything if it must come at someone else's expense, especially when it is your own community being torn apart.  

We were doing fine before and we'll be fine tomorrow.  Changes will continue to take place as our children will continue to grow up.  But, the positive influence we can have on them will only happen if we are happy with ourselves and where we live.  

Happy Holidays!

I wish everyone here a happy and safe holiday with your friends and family.  I won't be inviting the Scrooge and the Grinch into my home this year.  I hope you don't either.  

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Carlyn Greene December 16, 2013 at 04:12 PM
Frankly, although I disagree with your premise that it is the "same type of system" and the "same people," I believe the leaders of Tucker 2014 are looking out for my best interests. Furthermore, I am offended that you call people that I trust and am grateful to for their hard work liars. Personally, I don't want to be left alone in unincorporated DeKalb County. I trust the leaders of Tucker 2014. They live in the community and want the best for it and have put in a lot of time and endured slanderous attacks on their character because they believe in the cause. They are good people; I know some of them outside the business of Tucker 2014 (as do you) and they are honest citizens working for what they think will be best for Tucker going forward. I've not ever seen or heard them defame your character and you might have more credibility if you didn't smear theirs. Maybe a large donor wanted to remain anonymous. I don't know that I'm just suggesting there might be reasons to not disclose certain information. If they are hiding information that is required to be disclosed then that is different but they are not. I believe in local government and the DeKalb County government hasn't done much to convince me that staying in unincorporated DeKalb is in my best interests. A Tucker mayor and a Tucker City Council would look out for Tucker. That's why I'm in favor of it. It's not that we want "more government." It's that we want local control of our community. You say "They don't give a *Hoot* about tucker or any of our communities? On what do you base that? They are engaged in this effort exactly because they do care about Tucker. I've been to several meetings and plan to go to more so I can show my support.
Cheryl Miller December 17, 2013 at 01:21 PM
No one is attacking anyone here, Carlyn. I live in this community and want what is best for it. I have also seen what has happened in our school system and know for a fact that some of the very same people involved in it are involved in this movement toward cities. We didn't elect anyone to represent us. So, if they have appointed themselves to do anything that involves negotiating the future of 27,000 people and could impact our property values and the future of our school system, I would think that anyone would want them to be completely transparent in their dealings. I believe that a group of people who all live within the easy reach of a Lakeside City annexation plan would want to include others who are not within that reach in their meetings and plans so as to not cause anyone the need to question their motives. A Tucker mayor and city council, people you do not know, will look out for Tucker? Is that true of a DeKalb CEO and a DeKalb county commission? Is that true of a local principal and a local school PTA? There are plenty of examples of people doing the wrong thing for their own personal reasons. I like to hope for the best, but let's be practical at the same time. I'm not "defaming" anyone when I ask, "Why did you include this particular area on your map?" and they refuse to answer. They are causing me to question their motives when their actions do not make sense. If you have been to meetings, then why are you interested in going to more? Are you learning anything new? Have they showed you a charter that even promises that it would have a mayor and a city council? We have not been shown any such documents and I though Tucker residents were upset about the Lakeside plan to take us over because we do not share their concerns and don't want the same things. If you are now saying that this generic city process is okay, then why didn't everyone just say, "Take all of Tucker! We're all the same! We want the exact same thing they want!" Whether you wanted it or not, it is likely you won't get it anyway. The Tucker map is designed to fail. Take a look at it and tell me how it makes sense. It is someone else's agenda being pushed forward. It has nothing to do with Tucker. That map does not represent the Tucker that I know.
Brian December 17, 2013 at 05:02 PM
Cheryl, please specifically describe the parts of the Tucker map which cause you concern, or that you have trouble understanding their inclusion. I have nothing to do with drawing the map, nor am I even a supporter or detractor of Tucker 2014 (though I certainly give them credit for their efforts to give the community an option), but I can easily see why the map is drawn the way it is. What are the specific areas of the map that bother you?
Cheryl Miller December 17, 2013 at 09:08 PM
What bothers me is that I clearly heard many people at multiple meetings stand up and say that they wanted to know what Tucker could do to protect its borders. The map that has been drawn by Tucker 2014 does two things: It land grabs (which we all said we were against); it does not protect our borders (which we all said we wanted).
Carlyn Greene December 17, 2013 at 09:16 PM
To quote from your original response to me: "If they are starting out by lying ..." That is a direct attack, in addition to all the innuendos your present in your ramblings. You ask why I keep going to meetings? For several reasons, one of which is yes, I do, in fact, learn something new each time because different questions are asked each time -- and answered. For example, tonight I learned that Tucker will have a mayor and city council, and that residents of Tucker would have one city council person per every approximately 7,000 residents. That is compared to being represented by one county commissioner per tens of thousands of Dekalb County residents. That is local control that I can get on board with, and which I believe will be a positive development in this community going forward. The mayor and city council persons will be our neighbors -- people with whom we go to church and serve on PTA boards and shop Main Street. Yes, they will look out for Tucker's best interests. I believe in decentralized government, and that is one thing cityhood will provide. Perhaps you should not have made up your mind so early but left it open to become more informed. I've been to three of the last four meetings, which the leaders of Tucker 2014 are having even during the holidays because they are working hard to advance what many Tucker residents think will be good for the community we love -- not because they are trying to be the Grinch who stole Christmas. I also go to the meetings to show my support for these hard working people and what they are trying to achieve for the benefit of Tucker. I am also interested in what map thinks would represent Tucker. What would you leave out of the current proposed map, and what would you include that isn't there. Let's see some suggestions rather than just criticisms. Brian, if you haven't already, I hope you go to some meetings and find out the benefits of cityhood. The residents need to be informed and take a stand one way or the other because if the legislature approves the proposal, you will have a chance to vote yay or nay on it. This Saturday Tucker 2014 will present the results of the feasibility study in downtown Tucker at 10:30. Santa will be there and it will be a great community event. You can ask the Tucker 2014 leaders questions then.
Todd Chester December 17, 2013 at 10:33 PM
Cheryl, you continue to make false statements. All of these city groups do not plan to offer the same services. Maybe if you had attended one of these more recent meetings, you would know that Tucker plans to offer Parks, Planning and Zoning, and Code Enforcement. Lakeside and Briarcliff are planning on providing Public Safety. Seeing as you are well versed in the different city proposals, and keenly aware of what the future holds for Tucker, I feel that you should definitely continue your educational campaign. My only recommendation would be that you try performing a little research before you pump more information out for public consumption. I think this classic statement applies to the majority of your commentary, "Don't let your mouth write checks your rear end can't cash."
Brian December 18, 2013 at 08:04 AM
Cheryl, I'm giving you an opportunity to explain your point regarding the Tucker map with specifics. Please define what should've been included, and what should have been left off, in order to "preserve the borders of Tucker", "not land grab", etc etc. Please be specific as in "the area around X should not have been included", "the area around Y should have been included".
Cheryl Miller December 18, 2013 at 08:56 AM
Todd, I do not and have not made false statements. All of the city groups initially were talking about the same services, as were the previous cities to come before us. If you were to ask Tucker 2014, which I did, about police protection, they would tell you that it is fourth on their list. They would have included it in their initial list had various people with Save Tucker! not questioned them about it at their first fundraiser, which was held at the Greater Good BBQ. All the cities want to control zoning, but why? This is a big concern for many of us. Tucker is pretty much a fully developed area with zoning that suits us. Why would we wish to change anything? If you are happy living in your residential community, aren't you concerned that there could be reasons for developers, not your fellow residents, but developers to want to
Cheryl Miller December 18, 2013 at 08:58 AM
.... what??? What do they want to do? Tell us and we may even support it.
Cheryl Miller December 18, 2013 at 09:00 AM
Hide it and you leave people no choice but to speculate. That sounds a lot like the government everyone was stating they wished to get away from.
Carlyn Greene December 18, 2013 at 09:08 AM
It's not hard to research if one is interested in facts: Straight from the Tucker 2014 website: "Georgia law mandates a specific list of services, and cities must provide at least three. Citizen input will guide what services the City should provide, but the three initially being proposed are: 1) Planning and Zoning, 2) Code Enforcement, and 3) Parks and Recreation. Other services under the state mandate include law enforcement; fire protection and fire safety; road and street construction or maintenance; solid waste management; water supply or distribution or both; wastewater treatment; storm water collection and disposal; and electric or gas utility services. Tucker citizens have been successfully partnering with Dekalb County for years on these three areas, so the experience and expertise is local. Building a solid foundation on services Tucker citizens are already actively engaged in ensures a stable start-up for the City of Tucker. The Tucker community has repeatedly expressed its desire to be realistic in what it provides its citizens – false promises of expansive services from day-one is not the Tucker way." To quote Brian: Please define what should've been included, and what should have been left off, in order to "preserve the borders of Tucker", "not land grab", etc etc. Please be specific as in "the area around X should not have been included", "the area around Y should have been included".
Carlyn Greene December 18, 2013 at 09:18 AM
I find it interesting that Cheryl refuses to go to meetings and make her voice heard, but prefers instead to hide behind blogs and the "Save Tucker" Facebook page, which is her page yet is not identified as her. If you're looking for transparency, don't look to the Save Tucker page. Go to the meetings and ask questions. After the formal Q&A sessions the Tucker 2014 people encourage those in attendance to stay and have further discussions if they so desire. I'll not waste any more of my time on this conversation thread.
Cheryl Miller December 18, 2013 at 11:42 AM
I haven't refused to go to meetings, Carlyn. I have been to nearly every single one, including for Briarcliff and LCA. I'm just getting tired of the same information being addressed in the same manner, but promoted as if it were something new. I have made my voice heard. There is no question about that. I have no problem with stating that I created the Facebook page for "Save Tucker," but I don't consider it to be "mine." There is no set agenda. We are just people who live here and want to discuss what is going on. There is no push for or against anything. However, as time goes by, there are more people questioning the need for any of these cities as they have not made a clear case that they will improve anything. Anyone is welcome to like our pubic page just to keep in the loop with what we learn or what events are coming up. We try our best to promote all of them: www.facebook.com/SaveTuckerFromLakesideCity
Cheryl Miller December 18, 2013 at 11:45 AM
And, by the way, the moderator role on the public page is one that is assigned to multiple people and can rotate depending on who is in town, out of town, busy, etc. There is no reason to be concerned about us... we aren't asking for money or trying to run for political offices that will have any control over anyone. We are not power hungry. We are regular people, voters, and we just want to keep our community in tact because we like it here.
Todd Chester December 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM
Cheryl, see the forth sentence in your first comment on this thread, "Another example is how they say that the main services they plan to offer all ended up being identical." The main services are NOT identical as I pointed out, and you confirmed. Public Safety was discussed, but not added to the list of services to be provided by Tucker. I believe this makes your statement incorrect. I stand by my comment that maybe you should attend a meeting or two to get your facts straight. Regarding your question about zoning control. I would like to see this governed at a local level for two reasons. Currently the neighborhoods inside the Perimeter are experiencing a great deal of infill McMansions in older more established neighborhoods. I for one would like to maintain the current style of the neighborhoods in Tucker, and put a halt to this practice before it starts. DeKalb County has done little to control this practice inside the Perimeter, maybe a City with local control could do more. Secondly, when you drive down Lawrenceville Highway from 285 to Tucker, you will pass no fewer than 38 auto repair shops. Could a planning and zoning board help reduce this number? I would hope so. As a business owner, I look at the location of Tucker and its proximity to main arteries that feed people to Buckhead, Downtown, Perimeter Center, and Decatur. I think we can both agree that it is extremely desirable. Trouble is, Tucker seems to have a hard time attracting business to the area. Could it be the 2 foot tall grass in front of businesses and residences? What about the trash scattered through many parking lots. How about the hand painted plywood signs that businesses have advertising used tires for $25.00. DeKalb County Code enforcement doesn't seem to have time to operate effectively in Tucker, and based on my travels throughout the county, they don't seem to operate effectively in most other neighborhoods either! Maybe a little local control could help. I hear that Tucker's feasibility study results will be released this Saturday. I would be ecstatic if the results showed that a City of Tucker could perform these services at the same cost or less than the County. Based on the studies released by Lakeside and Briarcliff, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it could!
Cheryl Miller December 18, 2013 at 11:55 AM
Caryn, shouldn't the dissatisfaction with certain services be the crux of the problem that leads the citizens to decide that forming their own city will be the only way to get their issues resolved? It seems a bit like the cart before the horse in your explanation. There appears that you think the citizens decided to start a city for no particular reason and then had to select from a menu of items which services they thought they could best handle or just outsource right back to the county, with higher fees, and the addition of franchise fees that will increase our utilities unnecessarily. It is a big stretch of the imagination to think of a city really forming that way, isn't it. Government in the U.S. is not something that should be formed by the government itself. It can only come from the people. If we want more governement, we can petition to create it. But, all I heard at the meetings I attended was that people wanted to protect our borders. That is the one thing that Tucker 2014 has not done. They just left of the entire Gwinnett portion of Tucker, extended well beyond our northern area and even past I-85, and dropped down below I-78 into portions considered Clarkston and East into Stone Mountain. Every other city group took part in land grabbing in order to scoop up valuable commercial property, but left off the residential areas. Tucker 2014 did the exact opposite. They went outside of traditional Tucker to take on areas of high density residential housing with large portions of Sec. 8 public housing and took no additional commercial to justify making those areas a part of Tucker. At the very least, they could have stuck with the borders from the 2006 study which was already deemed to be viable and, if you have read it, appears to be the starting point by which the other city groups based their maps and assumptions.
Cheryl Miller December 18, 2013 at 01:24 PM
Many parts of our government require a fleet of vehicles. If Tucker has established a section of its commercial property deemed "local commercial" and that has helped automotive repair shop small business owners to do well, why would you care how many of them you see when you drive down a particular strip of road? We also have the Sam Moss Center, inside the perimeter, which has serviced the school system's large fleet of cars and buses. Should we discontinue this service as well? I don't hear anyone complaining about there being "too many doctors" at the hospital or "too many department stores" at the mall. And, you don't need a city to clean up an area. Tucker received a CID and it has already started having a positive impact in the area. Look around. And, yes, I know that the services stated are not "identical" but they started out that way.
Brian December 18, 2013 at 04:07 PM
Tough thread for Cheryl Miller. Todd makes some great points on code enforcement and zoning. Also, when you talk about zoning, see Herman's sink permit thread. In addition, I've always thought the zoning was one of the services that you could provide with very low overhead (what, 3-4 employees?) which is attractive to a start-up city. Parks and public safety (even though public safety isn't part of the Tucker plan yet) are no-brainers (except for Cheryl apparently). These are areas that can show an immediate impact to residents of a new city. Nobody is going to get excited about a new city taking over your gas and water bill. Ready for your map specifics anytime Cheryl.
Brian December 18, 2013 at 04:36 PM
Cheryl: as for your comments on the map, while not specific enough I'll address them anyway. It's not difficult to understand why the map was drawn the way it was, even for someone who had absolutely nothing to do with the process (like me). The North / East Border is defined by the county line. This makes sense in that trying to negotiate a city in two separate counties would be overly burdensome (collecting taxes from 2 counties, negotiating with both - basically twice the work, if you could even get the legislature to entertain the idea). It's also necessary to go that far to not leave unincorporated islands leftover that could also get your plan killed in the legislature. From there the border hits 78 and heads back west, dipping below 78 to E Ponce to meet the City of Stone Mountain's border(no unincorporated islands), and to include the industrial park between 78 and E Ponce (revenue generating). Border continues down E Ponce past the Brockett Pub to the Clarkston City Limit (again, no islands). Then it heads north along 285, with a bubble inside to include the Montreal Inds Park and Northlake Mall areas (the area overlapped in all three maps). It then follows Henderson road until it hits 285 going north. Border then extends past Spaghetti Junction to border Doraville and possible Doraville annexation targets (and again, no islands), and includes some additional industrial, then back to the County line. That's it. While it may not be perfect, it is practical given the goal, and attempts to address many of the concerns of legislators concerning unincorporated islands. So, the high density / section 8 you would be referring to might be the apartments along Pleasantdale road, for which they did add the industrial areas north of 85, and the areas south of 78, for which they did add the industrial areas south of 78 between 78 and Ponce.
Cheryl Miller December 18, 2013 at 09:45 PM
I believe the Tucker zip code and / or Census defined CDP area that was used in the 2006 study by Georgia Tech. would have been appropriate. The people and places that currently are called "Tucker" on their street addresses, business cards, electric bills, etc. These are undeniably Tucker. Areas that are currently called Clarkston, Stone Mountain, Doraville, Atlanta, Decatur are not. I never said that I had a strong feeling about what should or should not be included. I simply said that I asked questions about "why" were certain areas included and no one could even tell me who drew the map. I heard from Bob Lundsten, Elaine Boyer's chief of staff, who said he asked for the map to be drawn but did not create the borders. He said, 'Tucker Together' drew the map. I wanted to know who specifically so I could ask them about some of the non-traditional areas. I emailed Tucker Together and they emailed me back by saying "please contact Michelle Penkava." I asked Michelle Penkava at the most recent meeting at the First Baptist Church and she shrugged her shoulders and said, "well, I don't know what to tell you." When I look at the map of Tucker and see how it falls on a poverty map (which is on our Facebook page for Save Tucker), I can see where Tucker does not have any of the hardest hit, most poverty stricken areas in its normal area. But, when I look at the Tucker 2014 map, I can see where it appears to specifically jut out just to take in those areas. These are places with a large amount of Sec. 8 housing and no commercial. They take a lot of resources, that means tax dollars, to police among other things. Currently the entire county pays for these areas to be taken care of. In the Tucker 2014 map, we would be responsible alone for the welfare of these areas. I don't know about you, but I am not wealthy. I don't need additional burdens than what I am already responsible for right now. Why should the wealthiest areas of DeKalb get away with placing borders around themselves, keeping all their money and all of our commercial areas for themselves? They are not coming out and saying it exactly, but chances are pretty good that they will actually be able to lower their taxes, while ours would go up. If they have more money than we do, how is that fair to Tucker? Why should we take on more than we know we can handle? It looks like we could be facing a very real potential of bankrupting our city before it gets off the ground. Now, maybe the person or persons who drew them map could convince me of why they did what they did and how it will work, but no one wants to put me in touch with that person. That's highly suspicious. If you don't agree, try asking them yourself. You can't just go along with what is being offered and assume it will work for the best. The people involved in this process are very skilled and politics is their area of expertise. They know how to work the system. We should not just assume that a few people who want things to work out will not be led astray. We all live here. We all need to look out for ourselves and our community together.
Cheryl Miller December 18, 2013 at 09:47 PM
Atlanta (the city of) crosses two counties and does not seem to have a problem with it. Smoke Rise crosses two counties and Tucker does as well. To not even try to include all of Tucker in the first round with the legislature is giving up before you even get started. That is a defeatist attitude and we should be the ones going into any discussion on this issue as the superior choice of a city as we have a long established history of building a community. The others are nothing more than unproven wanna-be's. Why are we taking the inferior role?
Todd Chester December 18, 2013 at 10:35 PM
Cheryl, I have heard the Tucker/Gwinnett question at several of the Tucker 2014 meetings. My understanding from the answers received in these meetings is that the placeholder bill dropped by Billy Mitchell referenced a city located in DeKalb County. Since the placeholder only references DeKalb County, the Gwinnett portion cannot be included I this round of Cityhood. If Tucker is successful in incorporation, I'm sure that the Gwinnett portion could be annexed at a later date.
Todd Chester December 18, 2013 at 10:47 PM
And Cheryl, I'm not so concerned with the Sam Moss Center, its the other 42 mechanic shops. Your argument regarding Doctors and Department Stores holds little water. The low rent mechanic shops tend to attract vagrants and other undesired people, in addition to the general trashy appearance that the tend to maintain. If planning and zoning could prevent the addition of any more Mexican Restaurants or Pizza Joints from opening in town, that would be a bonus!
SaveDeKalbCounty December 18, 2013 at 11:22 PM
Great way to start off a new city, Todd Chester. Immediately close 42 businesses? Lose their tax contribution and residents will have to pay even more taxes. A lot can be done to add curb appeal along Lawrenceville Hwy that doesn't involve shuttering businesses. If the existing Mexican restaurants and pizza places are doing well enough to survive in this economic downturn, then someone must be eating there often and there is a demand for their food. People drive to Tucker to eat in some of our Mexican restaurants as they are that highly regarded.
Todd Chester December 18, 2013 at 11:47 PM
I don't recall saying close 42 businesses. I think I said lets try to attracts some businesses other than mechanics, pizza joints and Mexican restaurants. Don get me wrong, I love enchiladas and a slice just as much as the next guy, I just don't think we need 15 options for each of these food options. Just looking for a little diversity here
Cheryl Miller December 19, 2013 at 02:26 AM
Todd, you said "...you will pass no fewer than 38 auto repair shops. Could a planning and zoning board help reduce this number? I would hope so." My answer is "I would hope not." The rights of the small business owner are every bit as important as the rights of the private property owner and a zoning board that would choose to close a business because there was an opinion out there that there were too many of a particular type on a particular road would be ridiculous. Have you ever driven down Peachtree Industrial? Have you noticed all the car dealerships along that stretch of road just off I-285? Has anyone complained about the contribution they make to the tax base? I doubt it. The fact that painted signs bother you are simply evidence that you probably do not live in Tucker, otherwise you would appreciate what you see as being authentic, small town, small business success stories. I'm not saying that I oppose cities or cleaning up of areas to make them more "urban." I moved to Atlanta because I wanted to live in a city, so I'm all for it. But, I don't think that is what the majority of Tucker's residents want and that is what concerns me. It feels a lot like a falsifying of public opinion is taking place here. The people who came out to the meetings gave their feedback and the city group took the opportunity to head off down the road without ever getting the green light. And, unfortunately, they did so without really listening to what the people had to say, otherwise they would have answers by now and not leave us to guess after months of meetings. I attended every meeting up until they held a recent one in Doraville. I figured I would be able to skip that one without missing too much. And, please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't suggest that people should be uninformed or that public meetings, in general, are bad or a waste of time. I was speaking to people who have already attended several meetings, like I have. I suggested that "If you truly have made up your mind and you know you do not want what they are selling (cities, in this case) ..." then you can probably stay home and not miss anything. Zoning is a touchy subject that most people know very little about. I am not comfortable turning that responsibility over to people whom I do not know when I am fine with the zoning rules the way they are on the books right now. Anyone who wants to control zoning wants to change something. They need to be upfront about exactly what they wish to change before I can support them. Maybe that's just me, but I don't want to live next to an office building or a parking garage. I like my neighborhood the way it is now.
Cheryl Miller December 28, 2013 at 01:12 PM
the placeholder bill dropped by Billy Mitchell ??? Wasn't it Michelle Henson?
Cheryl Miller January 04, 2014 at 04:54 PM
Billy Mitchell represents stone mountain.
Jennifer Winterscheidt January 08, 2014 at 04:34 PM
I live in what is undeniably Tucker and Billy Mitchell is my representative. Here is the map of his district: http://www.house.ga.gov/Communications/Documents/Maps/2013HD088.pdf
Cheryl Miller January 08, 2014 at 04:39 PM
Hi Jennifer, I know that he does have Tucker in his territory. I was just surprised because I heard Michelle Henson state that she was filing the bill. I guess more than one can sponsor it collectively, so it is probably a good thing. I just don't like facts that change without being questioned. Thanks for the link, though. I have a different rep. as well, so it's really unfair that no one actually represents "Tucker" any longer after the last round of gerrymandering on our districts. Very frustrating!

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